Lose your bloodline power for a bonus to skill checks related to drugs. This is the first of these (and it includes a Code of Conduct in all but name) -- in particular, with a likely connection to Gnolls and/or Lamashtu. You get an underwater mount which is needed for such campaigns. It does take a while to come online though, and the reduction of hours of Wild Shape is annoying. Hazards Sources About the Archives + Licenses Contact Us Contributors Support the Archives . 3 New Classes, 1 New Race, 17 New Feats. It is too bad that the list does not contain planes and arcana though. Feeling devious? You do lose all Weapon Training, so your damage output will suffer. For Full progression, you keep these benefits, but the further tradeoffs are not as good -- Quick and Deadly is an okay replacement for a Bonus Combat Feat, but Sniper Training gives you the basic bonuses of Weapon Training with only Bows or Crossbows (to which your Weapon Mastery is also restricted), but this and Greater Imbued Shot take out all actual ranks of Weapon Training. I previously had the idea to dip Battle Host and then take Fortified Armor Training for the ability to negate all critical hits, but it seems as if Paizo quickly realized that it could be abused. And if your bonded item was magical and then destroyed, you'll probably be forced to kill and revive yourself to restore it, since your Make Whole spell is cast at CL 4. Seems good if you're going for that, bad if you're not. For a Dip, this archetype gets added versatility in that your primary class DOESN'T have to progress a Familiar, because this archetype trades it for a Bonded Object (fetish) that stores your spells instead; it doesn't give you a pseudo-Spell Recall like a Wizard's Bonded Object, but instead it gives you the ability to deliver Touch spells as Ranged Touch spells a few times per day. You don’t need ranged spellstrike, just cast Haste or Slow or something. It does get two very interesting abilities, though. If you go Full, you really need to be Dex-based, but you get to be awesome at Combat Maneuvers and continue to benefit from the additional class skills and skill ranks, get the remaining ranks of Bravery (for what they are worth), and you might actually want to use Combat Expertise for partial compensation for your diminished armor proficiency. That's pretty great alone. More of an NPC archetype to thwart a murder mystery type adventure. The ability can't be used in conjunction with mutagen, and you need to buy back mutagen with a discovery if you want it. Dip Power 0 Versatility 0
Your mount can also die and come back after a day, no problem. This gives you a LOT more uses of a limited ability and you don't even have to give up LoH uses when you don't want to. A rather weird archetype with a rather extreme focus on dragons, it unfortunately trades off one of the better bloodline arcanas for a significantly worse one and loses access to the draconic bloodline's rather good list of bloodline feats. For a Dip or Full Progression, trading Bravery for Burst Barrier is probably about even; if you go to 3rd level, the Tower Shield Training modification to Armor Training (you do NOT give up Armor Training 1 for this) is good if you actually plan to use a Tower Shield, and doesn't hurt you when you aren't using a Tower Shield; for Full Progression, you get to become really hard to kill and provide some defense to adjacent allies, but hurt your ability to do damage; that said, if you get 5 or 6 levels in this and then go into a Tower Shieldadin and/or Stalwart Defender build, the Tower Shield Specialist replacement for Weapon Training 1 becomes a really good trade (upgrades this archetype to vers -1, power. The sheer number of spells this gives you access to is astronomical. The downside is that your Sneak Attack becomes family-only, which means most of the time you'll be running around without it. You can drink to regain grit points, and gain a bunch of other neat abilities. This archetype trades off a bit much to do its thing. They each have their benefits. Luckily one of them stacks with the Luring Cavalier archetype so it's playable. Basically everything I said about the Psychic Detective holds for this, except you're much better as a support than as a caster. Sure casting spell, yet another means of getting +5. This archetype works best if you have some way to reliably benefit from lighting levels, for instance by combining it with the Bramble Brewer archetype. On its own this trade is fairly close to neutral, but the archetype is missing any rules text on how the companion can be repaired or replaced. Float through walls! This allows an arcane Necromancer to get rolling at the same time as his divine counterparts. AKA The Assassin-as-a-base-class. Pathfinder Best Class (Pathfinder Class Tier List) What really are Pathfinder's top-tier classes? If you are in a campaign where you can make strong favored enemy choices, this archetype will be quite powerful, Credited Contributors: strayshift, Icytor44, Hmm, (Dip: Versatility +0, Dip: Power +0); Versatility +0, Power+1. Trade off one of your best class features for an incredibly niche ability that's only useful in very specific circumstances. The Tier System is a ranking of the player character classes for OGL d20 system (D&D 3rd, 3.5 and Pathfinder), devised by the mix/maxing nerds at Gamesologists Forums, that compares the relative power and versatility of the different character classes.After burning out the bump limit in the forums a few times over, it became clear that some classes are just useless, and some are wickedly broken. awesome! You get Weapon Training with one weapon group (Polearm or Spears), but not with any other. This archetype is also a good reason to take that feat that lets you spend generic focus 1 to 1 on a single implement. You're essentially trading off useful class features and taking on additional restrictions in exchange for abilities you already have. Argh, I meant the Daring General, not Esquire. This effect makes you functionally invisible to whoever you focus on, as long as you're in range. Considered by most a "meh" archetype, it plays mostly like a standard bard who can also talk with animals. Power +1, Versatility +1. If it does than it also means you can easily empower those types of abilities which largely increase versatility. Although classes follow certain tropes and archetypes, there's still room for nearly infinite customization within each class. Well, the bonuses you get are pretty good, temporary hit points and more rounds of rage, AND a pseudo power attack on your bite with a -1 to hit and +2 bleed, but you are specifically a cannibal, and are probably super evil? If you were gonna use your fists or an exotic weapon for a build this is prolly a +1. Resilience is nice because even successful fort saves can give leave you with problematic effects, but it comes very late for the class. The concept is cool, but the execution is terrible; use the Master Summoner if you want a horde of minions. Also, Investigators have been added to the document. Versatility: -1
Unlike Martial Master, this archetype is Dip-friendly, giving you Martial Versatility in exchange for your 1st level Bonus Combat Feat, and Escape Artist and Knowledge (Local) in exchange for Knowledge (Dungeoneering) and Ride, so overall an upgrade. If that comes up a lot in your campaign, then up the power level, but otherwise you're trading one situational ability for another. The smartest way to use this archetype is probably to play a small race and only advance a single dog. If you want to come online two levels earlier then take this archetype. Indomitable will is an awesome ability, and losing it for hide from constructs that costs 1 round of rage per round using it sucks ALOT, and also is quite strange flavor wise. The ability replacing Quarry will not find much use in dungeon crawls, but for an intrigue game it's basically a confirmed critical hit. But losing medium armor and shield proficiency does make you more squishy. As I said in the overview, I feel the real draw of that archetype is getting Cha to will saves. This archetype is sadly held back by the fact that its strength bonus is an enhancement bonus, meaning it can be duplicated by and does not stack with magic items. Even a 20th level Alchemical Sapper's demolition bomb is barely powerful enough to breach a 6 inch wooden wall on an average roll, and you can just forget about masonry. Want a Dungeon at Every Level from 1 to 13? While it only functions in bright light, and thus isn't available reliably until a party member can afford to cast a daylight spell on you, when you can gain these benefits it allows for considerable amounts of healing between encounters for free. Smells like power creep to me and banning this archetype for PFS play was prolly justified. These also give your allies a welcome boost to constitution or dexterity, assuming they don't have a belt that increases it. . The pain of losing two discoveries at low levels means you don't gain the discovery class feature until 6th level, which is a very long time to wait. In and of itself this isn't bad, because you can swap out spells for more appropriate circumstances. I have decided to rate the cleric archetypes on a tier list. Power +1, Versatility +1. Three of the tricks are vastly superior to the others and make this archetype awesome: Vengeance Strike (you count as your own Ally!!! Archetype Tier List: A Guide to Picking Archetypes Roguish Quail's Introduction to Classes Bench Pressing: Character Creation by the Numbers Dipping for Fun and Profit (Thread) Getting X to Y: How to make a Attribute do other things (Core, APG, ARG, UC, UM) Possible Archetype Combos A reasonable archetype that trades Mutagen for an Inspired Cognatogen with no other downsides. Power: +2, Versatility: +1. With the ability to very quickly raise or lower light levels with bombs, a Gloom Chymist can put certain kinds of enemies at a substantial disadvantage while dealing bomb damage. So 'in this particular instance', "immune" doesn't mean "immunity". It is also not a bad archetype for a paired build with another PC who takes teamwork feats, or if you take a dip with bloodrager for a valet familiar. Will saves against fear are pretty rare, and losing DR for +1 ac is a really weak trade. Although it's only one class feature, the tradeoffs for this archetype are very mild and make it overall a good selection. I’d recommend this archetype for low level play and spells for higher levels. You gain combat feats in place of your Tactician ability. My thoughts on this class are similar to the Musketmaster. Sep 28, 2018 @ 3:04pm At the moment sorc/wiz are among the strongest mid to late game. Caravan Bond is potentially very useful. A really bad archetype! I like this archetype as Animal and Terrain Domains open up some nice options, such as a familiar, a channel pool or Sneak Attack, you also get to add some nice spells to your spell list with some of the domains. Rend their souls! By combining the eidolon and summoner into a single form, the amalgam creature is much more durable and effective. Trades off the versatile performance skill boost for the ability to channel energy a few times a day. Power -1, Versatility 0. (Dip versatility -1, power -1; Full versatility -1, power +1): This archetype is frustrating because for the foreseeable future it probably fills up the archetype slot that would have been occupied by a Sorceress Witch -- that is, a spontaneous spellcasting Witch (translating your Patron into Bonus Spells and removing your Familiar altogether) -- and it has a couple of undesirable features baked in, even though the Sorcerer-style spellcasting at least alleviates one of the Witch's weaknesses (small number of spells per day). (Half-Orc/Orc; Half-Orc Dip versatility -1 to +0, power +0 to +2; Orc Dip versatility -1 to +1, power -1 to +1; Half-Orc Full versatility +0, power +2; Orc Full versatility +0, power +0): The recent Errata that replaced the Constitution-Dependent alternate class feature with Fierce Intelligence changed this archetype immensely. Power -2, Versatility +1. (Dip versatility -1, power -1; Full versatility -1, power +0): Archetypes that replace the 1st level Hex can be a pain because they prevent you from taking Extra Hex to compensate for trading out a Hex, particularly if you are stacking this with an archetype like Cartomancer that replaces the 2nd level Hex. Unless it is thematically or mechanically incompatible with whatever occultist idea you are starting from, consider this archetype. Or invest conservatively and risk coming up short, which would just mean you cast a spell or attack or take some other action instead. A combat feat is nice, but as a character with the mount feature you'd probably find a good use for a teamwork feat anyway. Unfortunately you aren't given a mount, so you'd have to either spend three feats on a getting a Mount or Familiar to ride. (Dip N/A; Full versatility -1, power +1): Finally, an archetype for Good Witches, although Good alignment isn't technically a requirement. This is a trap. The Construct Rider is a double-edged archetype. This includes making separate individual attacks spread out between all of them. If you don't mind giving up Medium and Heavy Armor and all Shields, you get to benefit from more class skills and skill ranks, replacing the first rank of Bravery Combat Expertise (which isn't great but is the prerequisite for an awful lot of things that it shouldn't be) opens up a whole lot of options if you dip 2 levels. This archetype does give you a channel ability which is a prerequisite for a number of feats such as guided hand and thus opens up some interesting build options. But an Occultist's Focus economy is already tight so "losing one focus every 10 minutes per implement" hurts. A very strong archetype that will want a spellbook of its very own. Strangely, even though you give up all Weapon Training, you don't give up Weapon Mastery. You don’t loose anything by picking up this archetype and can upgrade your AC to a Hippogrif. This is another one of those archetypes where you aren’t loosing much and not gaining all too much in return. Gunslingers get ways to ignore the chance of them exploding and make them stupidly affordable (and marketable). OK... gives up a domain for Heavy Armour and a few feat options.... depends on the campaign I guess. Losing fast movement kind of sucks but move action potions is pretty great. It's a nice thought but a bag of holding isn't stasis. Between this and the recent undesirable change to Scarred Witch Doctor (see below), the lesson is that you can't have a Witch who can't spell. Gendarme loses tactician for a bonus feat (its the worst feat ration, but you can choose any order and keep the mount). The ability to infuse his weapons with alchemical items gives bonus damage at a very affordable cost. The bloodline feat replacements are probably the reverse, harder to use but more powerful when you can, but not enough to undo the overall effect IMO. With these Bizarre Races, nobody will forget who you are or how you look! (By the way, that last part is supposed to be a joke.). But you're here for the blasting boost combined with School Understanding (Admixture) and the boss killer that is Spell Perfection (Icy Prison) to make your GM weep in despair. The final Dip-relevant alternate class feature is Scarshield, which improves survivability, but hurts low-level versatility by replacing your 1st level Hex, and scales in both duration and effect with class level, so it isn't very good at low levels. 1: Races of Nature Unleashed (PF1) Aegis of Empires 5: Race for Shataakh-Uulm (Pathfinder RPG) Book of Beasts: Witch Codex (PF 1e) Aegis of Empires 4: Legend of the Burning Star (PF1) Lands of Theia Many durations are not capped, and even if you want an example of a damaging spell, how about Battering Blast -- while the damage per force ball is capped rather low, the number of force balls is not capped, and the effective Base Attack Bonus (for CMB) is not caooed. They're also based off Cha which makes an investigator more MAD (they still need Int for inspiration). I'd think the spells Preserve and Gentle Repose would work to extend the time limit. Pathfinder - Class Balance. But you are trading 3 focus powers (which are feat equivalent) for the ability to carry around 1 generic mental focus each. Unfortunately you don't get Dex-to-Damage and apparently they forgot that the Challenge ability only affects melee attacks. This Archetype is considered worthy of going beyond the scale given in this document of +2/+2. For the Charger (centaur), I do believe Spirited Charge works. It is not clear that the scaling of the latter ability is limited to Witch caster level, but even if it is, this would still be pretty good if you can get subsequent classes to progress your Witch caster level (for instance, a prestige class such as Agent of the Grave), and if necessary, the trait Magical Knack can be used to compensate for minor deficiencies in caster level. Gods grant access to five domains, while lesser gods and demigods grant access to four domains, and other beings capable of granting spells grant access to three domains. The target of your aura has to succeed on a perception check, with the DC equal to 10 + Class Level + Int Mod in order to perceive your presence, as long as you're not doing anything to draw attention to yourself. I don’t know much about firearms but if I did I’d prolly be playing a gunslinger…. You get supernatural scars that throb when pesky spellcasters are using magic to hide themselves near you. What you're trading isn't too bad, but there just aren't too many benefits here. Your Studied Target feature is now terrain-based, and you gain a couple abilities that boosts mounted archer builds. Gotta say that Covenbane may be the archetype with the edgiest potential I've ever seen. Yes please! Level 3: +3 (if you take potent magic)
But overall I think it just evens out - it needed Wisdom to initiative to really make it work. (Dip versatility +0, power +0; Full versatility -1, power -1): At 2nd level, in exchange for your 2nd level Hex, you become a professional Town Gossip (skill-based, so uses per day limited only by the skills), and can increase the DC of any Fear spell once per day; the first part of this doesn't scale with level, and so is usable (if not great) with a Dip, whereas the second part of this scales with level with respect to uses per day (1 per 2 levels). From level 7 onward however, the class begins to force you to start focusing in light siege weapons. I like this trade. Archetypes and Class Options. The only selling point for this archetype is the access to druid spells but I don’t see any super amazing things on the druid list that aren’t on the ranger list. Note that unlike most Hex substitutes, Bouda's Eye is described as an actual Hex, so it qualifies you for the Extra Hex feat. 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